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When the topic of where to place a 20th AFL team arises, there’s one place that makes the most sense. A fast-growing population, with…
With a Tasmanian AFL licence a foregone conclusion, the battle for the 20th AFL licence is heating up. Several areas have been touted for…
While Tasmania continues to be overlooked for an AFL club, Canberra continues to be overlooked as the city seen to be overlooked. When Tasmania…
I don’t think the Southwest can handle a team yet.
Population is only 375k, and that’s really spread out.
I think the only spot in WA that can support a new team, population-wise, is northern Perth, but that’d be harder again to steal fans from West Coast.
Time to end relationship of convenience: Canberra doesn't owe GWS anything
Four of their eight games in Sydney were record crowds this year. They’re growing.
You may not want them, but Western Sydney is big enough that they can carve a big enough niche, even if the majority of Western Sydney doesn’t care.
Time to end relationship of convenience: Canberra doesn't owe GWS anything
Thanks 😁
The comment came on Facebook, but thanks for indulging me here.
Time to end relationship of convenience: Canberra doesn't owe GWS anything
Same as the Tasmanian Government pays North and the City of Ballarat pays the Bulldogs.
Time to end relationship of convenience: Canberra doesn't owe GWS anything
Apologies in advance for the formatting, my computer sucks.
Canberra doesn’t rate high enough on metrics. It’s a small market that is as much a “league/union” town as it is a “afl town”. Most of its citizens are fly ins from other states who allegiances are elsewhere ( similar to Gold Coast demographics).
How big does a market have to be in your eyes? Canberra has grown quite a lot in recent years, plus we’ve got thousands more people just across the border.
Anywhere you put a new team is going to have pre-existing allegiances. Canberra is hardly new there. But having a unifying team will bring every AFL fan together behind the one team, and down the track, their kids will support Canberra. But being not a purely AFL town means we also have a non-AFL population to grow into.
GWS will need Canberra for a few decades yet. People might say that the ACT only makes up 10-20% of GWS membership – but taking that chunk away from an already low number would put them on life support.
This annoys me so much. Why should we prop them up? If we’re getting the higher crowds, putting in the money, why should we be burdened with propping them up? They have alternatives. Just like Tasmania didn’t have to prop up North, the onus shouldn’t be on Canberra.
Basically the need Canberra to keep the GWS experiment alive until a time they can ditch them and go Sydney alone
Canberra is hurting the Giants. We may prop up their membership and crowd numbers, but we’re hampering growth in Sydney. At the moment, they look like they have one foot out the door. It’s putting a lot of people off.
Team 20 won’t come over night. The Giants have about six years to find their alternatives.
Time to end relationship of convenience: Canberra doesn't owe GWS anything
I’m a bit more optimistic than you (perhaps naïvely). But just to counter your reasons.
1. With ACT Government support, I don’t think we’d need much more than AFL is already getting. The Giants already get $2.85 million per year, that’s more than any other team currently gets. You’d assume that would just transfer to a team of our own. And then they’d get more bang for their buck, with almost four times as much content, bigger travelling teams, and finals. A Canberra team could make more financial sense than renting a team.
2. I think the importance to which the Giants need Canberra is overstated. We make up about 20% of their membership base, and less than 10% of their supporter base. A lot of revenue from those members would be made up from being able to sell 11-game memberships in Sydney. I also think the academy is overstated. There’s only five or six players on the Giants list from Canberra/the Riverina. But I think the AFL could reinstate the Albury region for the Giants (which they took away in 2017) to help the transition.
But I would be incredibly disappointed if point 2 became the reason we missed out. I’d probably swap my Giants membership for a Brumbies one if that happens.
Time to end relationship of convenience: Canberra doesn't owe GWS anything
Darwin’s population is far too small to support a team.
After Tasmania, Canberra has the largest unrepresented AFL fanbase. Clearly the best option for Team 20.
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Many may come from interstate, but they settle in Canberra. We now have 500k people, almost 600k people within an hour.
AFL support is big here. And untapped. We would easily be bigger than the Suns or Giants. Once the shine of Tasmania wears off, I reckon Canberra would even be bigger than them.
Perth is not a backwater country town and could do with a third AFL side: Could North make a hop and a jump west?
Not sure how you figure Canberra would be less supported than GWS. We average higher crowds than Sydney for a team we don’t even support. A team of our own would be even better supported.
Canberra has a huge unrepresented AFL fanbase.
Perth is not a backwater country town and could do with a third AFL side: Could North make a hop and a jump west?
You’re wrong. Canberra would immediately be more popular than the Giants or Suns.
We have the largest unrepresented AFL fanbase in the country. Plus the wealthiest.
Canberra would probably garner a similar sized fanbase to a third Perth team.
Perth is not a backwater country town and could do with a third AFL side: Could North make a hop and a jump west?
Canberra definitely does. Greater Canberra has four times the population of Darwin.
We’ve got almost 600k within an hour, and more than 800k in the Capital Region.
Perth is not a backwater country town and could do with a third AFL side: Could North make a hop and a jump west?
Sorry, 20th team is going to Canberra.
But I look forward to the first match up of Canberra vs North Perth Kangaroos.
Perth is not a backwater country town and could do with a third AFL side: Could North make a hop and a jump west?
There just isn’t room in Adelaide for a third team. Port are already a smaller club and a third team would be half Port’s size.
It doesn’t add anything to the game, but it will cost a lot.
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Fair for the AFL, but rugby league also has the Super League. So I wouldn’t say the NRL is the worst rugby league league.
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We’d take to a relocated team, eventually. But it would come with an air of sadness. A new team should come in a wave of excitement, not the feeling of sloppy seconds.
I think a relocated team would have about 20% lower crowds than a new team early on.
Besides, Western Sydney is huge. The AFL will not and should not be retreating. We’re only 12 years into a generational project.
With Tasmania locked in to join the competition, where is the inevitable 20th AFL team destined to come from?
So, you’re saying Canberra is too weak and they’ll have to relocate, or they’re too strong to take away from GWS?
GWS doesn’t represent Canberra any more than North represents Hobart and it’s absolute bull that we’re stuck with scraps because people think the Giants “need” us.
GWS needs to cut the Canberra cord to have any impact in Sydney. A standalone AFL team in Canberra would be the most popular team in town. It’s a win-win.
With Tasmania locked in to join the competition, where is the inevitable 20th AFL team destined to come from?
“GWS needs Canberra, its most reliable supporter base.”
Canberra is only 20% of the membership base. And at least half of them would just have memberships to support AFL or game access (me included). Canberrans rock up for the footy, not the Giants.
Canberra is boosting the Giants’ numbers, but now really helping them grow.
With Tasmania locked in to join the competition, where is the inevitable 20th AFL team destined to come from?
Well, we will continue to disagree about WA v Canberra, but at least you’ve seen the light v Darwin. A Darwin team would be incredible if they pulled it off, but it’s just so ridiculously small and remote.
Welcome Tasmania, but the AFL should be a 16-team competition so three clubs must go
That is incredibly ignorant.
Firstly, you’re looking at old stats. And just the ACT. Canberra has about 550k within an hour. About 700k in the Capital Region.
Secondly, Canberra has a good AFL following. Probably already greater than rugby league. More AFL fans than Hobart or Darwin. It would instantly be the most popular team in town.
Welcome Tasmania, but the AFL should be a 16-team competition so three clubs must go
FFS, if WA gets a fourth team before Canberra, I’m switching codes.
Welcome Tasmania, but the AFL should be a 16-team competition so three clubs must go
The Gold Coast population hasn’t nearly doubled in that time. It’s grown by nearly a quarter.
It’s growing quickly, but not that quickly.
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Why’s the Oval out of the question?
The AFL has played 17 exhibition matches there before. It’s currently being upgraded, rounding out the edges and increasing the capacity.
It’d need a drop-in pitch, but I think the Oval would be workable.
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As a neutral who gets behind the national team, but doesn’t really pay attention to the domestic league, I like the Socceroos.
To me, the name evokes a memory of Aloisi scoring against Uruguay and running around with his shirt off.
Shortening the name to just the Roos wouldn’t work. There are several national teams ending in roos – Kangaroos, Wallaroos, Jillaroos, Hockeyroos, Volleyroos. Just the one team claiming the Roos name seems a bit arrogant to me.
It’s time to finally scrap the name ‘Socceroos’
It doesn’t really need explaining, but here goes.
You said this wasn’t a situation in which to be ideological, then got immediately ideological.
It’s okay mate, we all make mistakes. I just thought it was a funny juxtaposition.
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And support for their travelling opposition just happen to be trending upwards?
Time to end relationship of convenience: Canberra doesn't owe GWS anything